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The danger of intolerance
Published on February 13, 2007 By cactoblasta In Misc
Check this video out and tell me it isn't so: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6MJVzXbqRU Bloody Rednecks. Top Gear is one of the best shows on TV; how dare they attack?
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on Feb 13, 2007
I have a very good sense of humor and can easily and readily laugh at myself with no problem at all. I really tried to find something resembling humor in this and it simply wasn't there. This wasn't funny in any way. It's an obvious pile of garbage intended to insult and denigrate people based upon a stereotype.


Which is by definition funny, especially when the stereotype is lived up to. Stereotypes exaggerate life, which is why they're such an integral part of comedy. It's by pushing life to its extremes that you find its absurdity.

Maybe you don't think that happened there, but watch a different episode. I can guarantee you that you will laugh out loud at least a few times. When they're not criticising your countrymen I'm sure you'll find them genuinely funny.

As for saying they're anti-American the guy with the curly hair considers the Ford GT something-or-other the finest production sports car with a tolerable price tag. That's hardly Committee for the Study of Anti-American Attitudes material is it?
on Feb 14, 2007
I've seen a lot of stereotype based humor and quite enjoyed it, even when directed at myself. This simply wasn't funny. Maybe some folks might find it funny. I would imagine they would be the urban, Northern, or non-Americans, who actually believe these stereotypes to be true and like to have that nice, superior feeling. I'm a very good judge of humor and this wasn't it.
on Feb 14, 2007
I love Top Gear. It is one of the best shows on television, let alone a show for car geeks (I'm one, BTW). Unfortunately, I can't activate the link because I'm on my work computer. I will have a look when I get home and comment then.

Can hardly wait to see what all the fuss is about...
on Feb 14, 2007

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"That bit in our American Holiday Video where we were attacked by the rednecks in the Alabama petrol station: I realise now that I should have seen it coming.

We'd been warned by some American modernists - i.e. Californians - that the southerners wouldn't take kindly to any of our light mockery of the things they hold dear - Bush, heterosexuality, NASCAR, Country and Western, short hair...

But I never really believed they would take it quite that badly.

But then, earlier that day I had stopped at another petrol station and looked at the selection of T-shirts on sale to the locals. One proclaimed 'God, pick-ups and beer' with a picture of a Dodge like Hammond's on it. Another sported some legend about the right to bear arms.

And yet another depicted the Confederate flag and a picture of, er, General Stonewall Jackson. I think this may have been a vital clue to the mentality of the hicks.

Wasn't Jackson a general from the civil war? And didn't he die from complications resulting from the amputation of his arm after he was inadvertently shot by his own men?

And, more importantly, wasn't all this rather a long time ago? And what's with the confederate flag? Do they still lament the abolition of slavery or something?

It's been pointed out to me that the old flag, rather than standing for a discredited set of social and political values, is now just a fanciful graphic.

The Dukes of Hazzard, after all, had one on the roof of their car, and no one thought it was in any way distasteful. It was just the good ol' boys from the South being sentimental about their roots.

And that seemed like a fair comment. I like a sense of history as much as anyone. But then something else occured to me.

I've never met anyone in Europe wearing a swastika T-shirt.
on Feb 14, 2007
"You've never laughed at someone with a mullet, a fightin' attitude and an intolerance towards gays and NASCAR-haters? What DO you laugh at?"


You're just being obtuse. Do you really think most people with a mullet care what these guys think? They can sit and think what they want, I don't give a damn. There are southern comedians that make jokes about that kind of thing all the time. No one stones them. The guys with the mullets even laugh.

When you show up with a camera crew and three cars, painted garishly with insults and things purposely intended to make people angry, it isn't about their opinions any more. There's a difference between stating your opinion and taking a circus to a small town to PURPOSELY antagonize people. Worse, when your video is INTENDED to demean the people standing there, heavily edited to make it as bad as possible?

The difference is Phelps making a website or a TV show saying god hates gay people, and Phelps showing up at the Fantasy Fest in San Fransisco waving the signs in people's faces. Most of the mob wouldn't normally get up out of a chair in response, yet when they are there, in your face, antagonizing you, it would be a pink, fuzzy abattoir.

They obviously went there to bait people into anger, and they got so little they had to edit the video heavily to show it. It's sad. What is saddest is that the REAL act of intolerance was the one you are calling funny.
on Feb 14, 2007
It's been pointed out to me that the old flag, rather than standing for a discredited set of social and political values, is now just a fanciful graphic.

The Dukes of Hazzard, after all, had one on the roof of their car, and no one thought it was in any way distasteful. It was just the good ol' boys from the South being sentimental about their roots.

And that seemed like a fair comment. I like a sense of history as much as anyone. But then something else occured to me.

I've never met anyone in Europe wearing a swastika T-shirt.


Well that makes sense to me. Have you ever seen a non-skinhead German wearing a swastika? Americans, like all those who go for Guevara shirts, are very odd about what symbols they keep and what they discard. And the flag which history remembers as being that of slavers is a pretty odd symbol for a country which claims to be the pinnacle of virtue.

Is that what's getting your panties in a twist?

Or is that the unspoken suggestion that American southerners aren't really all that better than British soccer louts (as one of the commenters on that blog suggested?
on Feb 14, 2007

They obviously went there to bait people into anger, and they got so little they had to edit the video heavily to show it. It's sad. What is saddest is that the REAL act of intolerance was the one you are calling funny.


High horses are for losers, Baker. If you're the kind of person who gets rowdy when you're insulted you deserve every injustice a cruel world throws at you. Sure, it's not fair, but nothing is, so if other people find it easy to get a rise of you it's hardly their fault.
on Feb 14, 2007
Right there it is. Southerners vs... soccer louts. Southerners vs... skinheads. You take tens of millions of people and compare them to a small slice of miscreants in another nation. Like I said it is the difference between "freedom fries" and actually going to France to threaten people and watch them run.

No, the confederate flag only symbolizes slavery to the ignorant. It would be like me saying the British flag symbolizes imperialism or the Australian flag symbolizes the slaughter of indigenous people. You'd think I was an ass if I went to australia and compared the flag there to the swastika.

No, it's funny because it tags one of the last cultures that it is fashionable to be hateful to. Paint up your cars and go just about anywhere else in the world and the response would be outrage. In the American south it is "humor". I don't find it funny.
on Feb 14, 2007
Right there it is. Southerners vs... soccer louts. Southerners vs... skinheads. You take tens of millions of people and compare them to a small slice of miscreants in another nation. Like I said it is the difference between "freedom fries" and actually going to France to threaten people and watch them run.


You know I was only using shorthand for redneck or whatever the current label of choice is for the small group of rednecks in this world. Don't be a dick.


No, the confederate flag only symbolizes slavery to the ignorant. It would be like me saying the British flag symbolizes imperialism or the Australian flag symbolizes the slaughter of indigenous people. You'd think I was an ass if I went to australia and compared the flag there to the swastika.


But the British flag does symbolise imperialism and the slaughter of indigenous people in Australia (we didn't have our current flag til after independence in 1901; we were done with blatant slaughter by then and were involved in 'integration').

People would think you were a communist if you started spouting that kind of thing, but I don't think you'd get bashed outside of Cronulla.
on Feb 14, 2007
No, it's funny because it tags one of the last cultures that it is fashionable to be hateful to. Paint up your cars and go just about anywhere else in the world and the response would be outrage. In the American south it is "humor". I don't find it funny.


Ah, so Little Britain is unfashionable in the UK and elsewhere? It's kind of sad if satire of the powerful is unfashionable in the US, but that works for me - I was more precognisant than I expected - Irony is indeed dead in America!
on Feb 14, 2007
Irony, no. Hateful, hack-job social commentary posed as humor? Yeah. Borat was funny because it wasn't true, just like Sir Peter, even if the reactions are real. It was a character. This was smear disguised as "reality", and heavily edited smear at that.

This wasn't the Python "Philosphophy Department of the University of Walamaloo". This wasn't Borat. Those are irony. This is just ignorant bias posed as irony.

"Don't be a dick."


I'm not aiming to be, even if I am. I'm just saying that there is humor and there is backhanded social commentary. Even THAT I don't have a problem with if it is accurate. Going around antagonizing people until you find one person that bites, and then portraying an entire culture as ignorant and violent isn't funny.

Listen, I watch South Park. I watch Dave Chapelle. I see 'redneck' stereotypes all the time and I don't bust a valve. What makes me angry is when they are seriously trying to validate their IGNORANT biases in such a way that they cement hatred and bias against people who don't deserve it.

That was DEFINITELY the goal here, not humor. If you don't believe it had that reaction, go read the comments on other sites in response to the video. Over and over people saying they are ashamed of the south, afraid of the south, southerners are stupid racists, blah, blah, blah.
on Feb 14, 2007
That's probably because it's illegal to display the swastika in many European countries.

Here we have a little thing called 'freedom of speech.'


Unless, of course, you preach support for terrorists. And then you have a nice chat and a relaxing seaside holiday in sunny Cuba. Or some fun with water in the plush comfort of one of your security force's interrogation chambers.

Let's be realistic - there is no 'freedom of speech' anywhere in the world. It's just a little freer in some places on certain issues. At least in Europe no one's listening to everything you say in case you say a dirty word (as Echelon does).


That was DEFINITELY the goal here, not humor. If you don't believe it had that reaction, go read the comments on other sites in response to the video. Over and over people saying they are ashamed of the south, afraid of the south, southerners are stupid racists, blah, blah, blah.


I really don't give a damn about the reaction of others to TV shows. Call it selfishness, but when the internet gets excited about something or other I believe only a fool pays attention.

As for being afraid of the south I am too. I can't imagine being able to survive an area where the most intolerant and unsophisticated carry deadly weapons and use them regularly. I let my mouth run away with me far too often to do well in that kind of environment.

It's just not my world and I have no intention of visiting it unless I have no choice.
on Feb 14, 2007
No, this will be seen as funny because it is self-congratulatory to demean my culture. It makes people feel smart.


And that is my definition of bigots. They have nothing to make themselves feel good about, so they have to demean others to gain any sort of stature.
on Feb 14, 2007
Well that makes sense to me. Have you ever seen a non-skinhead German wearing a swastika? Americans


So an institution created by your ancestors and eventually abolished is the same thing as genocide of a people?

Besides, the "Confederate flag" is not a symbol of slavery. The Union Jack started it, the stars and stripes institutionalized it. The Stars and bars tried to remove the yoke of tarriffs that was being imposed by the tyranny of the majority. The war was not started over slavery as there was no push to abolish it at the start, nor did Lincoln get around to freeing any slaves until after the war. The Emmancipation Proclaimation declared slaves free only in those states in rebellion - not in the states that had not seceeded. And those slaves were not freed until after the war was over. If the war was about freeing the slaves, would not the Union have freed those in states that were not in rebellion at the start of the war?

All this is moot to the greater stupidity of the author of the blog. Why not compare the settling of Australia to Nazis? After all, it was not that far from slavery and he seems to have no problem comparing the Confederate flag to nazis.
on Feb 14, 2007
Unless, of course, you preach support for terrorists. And then you have a nice chat and a relaxing seaside holiday in sunny Cuba. Or some fun with water in the plush comfort of one of your security force's interrogation chambers.


Wrong again. YOu have to actively support it,not preach about it. BIG difference, but one that is lost on those who dont have true freedom of speech.
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