Dull thoughts on a shiny, shiny world.
I'm not going to bore anyone by going into political theories on polities and notions of the leviathan, but there are interesting dimensions to the war on terror that I haven't seen addressed in a while.

The concept of the modern democratic state is simple. The people of the nation elect a government to represent them - to put it in metaphysical terms the government is the 1, 100 or 1000-man personification of millions of citizens. Their every action is the will of the people.

Knowing that's the case do civilians exist in such countries? Every member of a democratic society holds the franchise to vote. They accept that occasionally their governments will do something which they personally disagree with but that the majority agree with.

With that as the basis, can we say without hypocrisy that any civilian is innocent? They are party to the social contract of their state. They are, in quasi-legal terms, fully responsible for everything their government does.

So how can a strike against a democracy's civilians be considered terrorism? Every one of those citizens is an agent of the state, albeit a fairly minor and personally irrelevent one. They are no less responsible for, say, the kidnapping of Israeli soldiers or the mistreatment of Guantanamo Bay inhabitants than their governments are. They could have spoken up and overthrown their system of government.

So the question remains, can these alleged civilians be considered innocent casualties?

Naturally the humanitarian perspective is yes, they can. Whether through ignorance and stupidity they were unable to affect the shape of their government (or they actively oppose their government) there are going to be some in every civilian population who aren't guilty. Therefore where possible the deaths of those who don't actively support a war should be avoided or minimised.

But when we really get down to it ignorance or opposition is no excuse. Those citizen-criminals could have abandoned their citizenship. They could have left the country. They could even have committed suicide or assassinated key figures in the government they oppose in an attempt to right injustices.

But they didn't, and in these thoroughly modern times most understand that the civilian must die for their government's crimes, particularly when targets that fire back are hard to find. It's only just.

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on Jul 26, 2006
I think the purposeful targetting of civilians for the sole purpose of producing body count is terrorism. The trouble is, in a time of war, the civil government, and even civilian labor, goes into the war effort.

There is a supreme difference between blowing up an electric plant and walking into a wedding party with a bomb strapped around you. I believe devoutly that given the current standard we could have never won WW2. There's no possible way we could have hampered the German war machine without taking out their manufacturing, power, mining, transportation.

So, I guess you have to ask yourself if blowing up a power plant and stepping onto a bus is the same in terms of hindering a nation's ability to make war. Terrorists make the argument that they are trying to crush the will of the people to make war, but far more often they do it to stall peace talks or bait anger.

I know it sounds like a facetious argument, but I think when you realize that keeping to those standards would allow people like Kim Jong Il to really win wars against superpowers, it's daunting. He could manufacture missiles endlessly and launch them and so long as he positioned them correctly we'd be powerless to do anything.

I wonder if the world would have such a strained idea of human rights if it was North Korea dropping medium range conventional missiles on Japan.
on Jul 27, 2006

remember when osama bin laden declared all american men legitimate targets for funding the us military with their tax payments?   is that the next step?  

on Jul 27, 2006
remember when osama bin laden declared all american men legitimate for funding the us military with their tax payments? is that the next step?


I think it must be. It's only logical.

There is a supreme difference between blowing up an electric plant and walking into a wedding party with a bomb strapped around you. I believe devoutly that given the current standard we could have never won WW2. There's no possible way we could have hampered the German war machine without taking out their manufacturing, power, mining, transportation.


I'm sure you've picked up by now that my opposition to war isn't entirely based on civilian deaths; it's also based on the ridiculous way governments feel they have to lie about what they're doing. It's as if they know what they're doing is inexcusable and so don't put it to a people who they know won't support it. They're supposed to represent the will of their constituents.
on Jul 27, 2006
I don't see it that way. No one is a bigger fan of democracy that me. On the other hand total, 100% self-rule in a nation with 300 million people would be insane. The idea reminds me of a Farscape where they visit a planet where 10% of the population are 'techs' that repair and upkeep society and the other 90% are lawyers.

Do you really think WW2 was inexcusable? I have a hard time believing that. What could have been done differently to better suit your sense of humanity? I don't think they are covering the inexcusable nature of war, I think they are protecting a population of children so out-of-touch with reality that they can no longer comprehend the reality of war.

Re: Osama, like I said above, the destruction of the WTC obviously didn't hamper our ability to make war. If anything, it provoked war. You can't liken that attack to destroying a nations railroads or bridges or power stations. The latter have real strategic benefits and the former is just a terrorist "statement".