Dull thoughts on a shiny, shiny world.

Political nicknames are a popular pastime. Australians all know who Little Johnny, Mad Mark or Saint Kevin are. Americans are familiar with Clint-in and probably others I don't know straight away.

But what's behind these names?

I've recently noticed there seems to be a bit of a movement for opponents to refer to US presidential candidate Barack Obama as Hussein. In some ways it makes sense, as it is his middle name and lots of people are referred to by their middle name.

I guess what bugs me is that there seems to be the assumption this should be offensive. Little Johnny is offensive - it's blatantly referring to his physical size and generally weedy world view. Clint-in refers to his sexual exploits. Hussein is just a very common Arabic name. Is being Arab funny and offensive in modern America, or am I missing something?

Looking at Obama and his policies, there seems to be so many better options available, ranging from Obamaba (doop-doop-de-do-doop, Obamaba!) to Peacemonger Pete to the Bringer of Hope.

Why, Americanistas, do you go for the Hussein? Is there an element of humour in it I'm not picking up? Is there more to it than an attempt to attribute to Obama whatever loathsome qualities you seemingly attribute to Arabs?


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on Jul 28, 2008
But aren't you just saying then that you enjoy a masochistic relationship with liberals, where you as the masochist deliberately seek out opportunities to be lambasted and the liberals are your unwitting aids?


You have that a bit wrong. Sadism enjoys inflicting pain and or humiliation, a masochist enjoys receiving humiliation.

Yes, they are unwitting because they seem to lack a sense of humor. We don’t seek out these opportunities they throw them at us. All they usually have to do is open their mouth or scribble a sentence.

but I'm not so sure many other conservatives would agree.


I only speak for myself and the conservatives I have known.

As for Clint-in, that is the first I have heard of it.


I have to agree here. I think that is a local thing that the American press has kept from us. Maybe his majesty the right dishonorable Mr. Clinton was not as well loved around the world as we have been led to believe.
on Jul 28, 2008

Maybe you should be asking why is it ok to call the SITTING President of the United States, a moron, a traitor, a liar, a moron, an Idiot, a chimpanzee, a smirking chimp, little Georgie, Georgie porgies, and a multitude of other name, OTHER THAN PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH, and this is all good when done by bleeding heart weak minded sissy girly man liberals and lesbian greenpeacer, hairy armpit manly looking feminazis liberals but that seems to be fine and good, they are just exercising their first amendment rights and how dare I question them in ANY WAY!!!!.

on Jul 28, 2008

CharlesCS
But let me ask you this. Did your biological grandfather find this name insulting? Because if he didn't then I don't see the problem. You see, calling peoples names only works if the person who's being insulted actually cares. I was cracked on as a child when I lived in Puerto Rico because I was born and raised in the US so I was a Gringo even though my parents were born in Puerto Rico. I had to deal with that for the 8 years I was living there.

I dont know if he found it insulting.... thankfully he died well before I was born.  I do know he went by the name Al as to drawn negitive attention to himself.  I do understand what you mean.... you do have to put up with names things people say to attack you with em... I and my father before me had kids use the taunt, Bake me a cake Baker. DId it affect me nope, you have to put up with it. 

 But sometimes these names can hurt you in more ways then just feelings.  Some people would choose not to go to a persons business if they knew his name was Adolph, or even if he was considered to be a Gringo by the community.

Like I said before I think people should be able to use these tactics.... but that doesnt mean I cant call it mud slinging.

on Jul 28, 2008
Yes, they can hurt, but the trick is to move on, unlike some here who won't let it go. I always tell my older son that when ever his little brother starts bothering him with annoying sounds or words to ignore him. Why? Simple, he does it simply because he knows it bothers him. The same with Obama. People here use his middle name to annoying, not him, but those on this site who complain about it. The purpose? To simply point out how stupid it is to complain about it. It's his middle name and people have the right to use it, if you chose to see more than just a middle name then you (I don't mean you specifically) are just as bad as those making the insult because you see the same thing they do.
on Jul 28, 2008

yes charles they do... but a name can make you not get a job, not get clients... and not get far in life... it doesnt always have to be about hurting you... but giving you a reputation.... you seem to only think its about the feelings of the person... what Iam talking about is is swaying other people with false images... which can be done in the free country we have... and that part is great.... but that doesnt mean some of us cant call it what it is... mud slinging...

Can people sling mud sure. I doute there is a person out there that hasnt, and we all have the right to.  But this isnt a little brother being annoying... or even the adult version.

on Jul 28, 2008

yes charles they do... but a name can make you not get a job, not get clients... and not get far in life... it doesnt always have to be about hurting you... but giving you a reputation.... you seem to only think its about the feelings of the person... what Iam talking about is is swaying other people with false images...

 

Good point, again. But this does not seem to be affecting Obama. This name has been used many times before, but if you look at  the latest information, Obama is not gaining much ground anymore not because his middle name is Hussein, it's because the real Obama is starting to show himself more and more every day. For the Bushisms that esxist, Obama is doing a great job following in Bush's tong twisted steps, yet no one calls him on it. He has changed positions as many if not more times than McCain or even Kerry. Obama family and friends can't open their mouths without inserting their foots in it first. The truth is there is nothing special about Obama. He is just another politician who have done exactly what any other politician does, convince people he is the one by saying exactly what they wanna hear depending on the current issues.


No matter how many times anyone uses Hussein, in the end Obama does more damage to himself than anyone using his middle name and his followers and those of his party that although do not follow him, still defend him only add more fuel to the name calling fire by complaining about it. Basically, every bullies dream.

on Jul 28, 2008

CharlesCS
He is just another politician who have done exactly what any other politician does, convince people he is the one by saying exactly what they wanna hear depending on the current issues.No matter how many times anyone uses Hussein, in the end Obama does more damage to himself than anyone using his middle name and his followers and those of his party that although do not follow him, still defend him only add more fuel to the name calling fire by complaining about it. Basically, every bullies dream.

I actually dislike Obama, I m no friend to him,  I just think this form of mudslinging is in poor taste.  I think there is enough anti-american activities of his that people dont have to go this low to show it.

on Jul 29, 2008
Why would anybody want to Slander good ol' Barry Obama?
on Jul 29, 2008
Why would anybody want to Slander good ol' Barry Obama?


Watching his supporters turn purple is fun.
on Jul 29, 2008
Watching his supporters turn purple is fun.


And that right there my friends is exactly my point. This is the main reason for all of this (thanks DrGuy). We enjoy watching others run around like chickens with their heads cut off wondering and worrying about this whole "Hussein" issue. The fact that Obama is where he is today proves many Americans are past these kinds of ideas so grow some backbones and just enjoy the mudslinging fest with a smile on your face rather than being upset over so little. This is politics people, mudslinging, stooping low and pulling all the stops is the name of the game. This kind of entertainment ranks up there with Survivor, American Idol, Dancing with the Stars and House. If this keeps up, this could be the next Call Of Duty or Unreal Tournament Saga.

Call of Duty 5 Black and White
on Jul 29, 2008
I have to agree here. I think that is a local thing that the American press has kept from us. Maybe his majesty the right dishonorable Mr. Clinton was not as well loved around the world as we have been led to believe.


I know the Irish gotta kick out of the nick Slick Willy.
on Jul 29, 2008
I know the Irish gotta kick out of the nick Slick Willy.


George H. Bush used that one, see where it got him.   
on Jul 29, 2008

This is a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulous post, and you, young man, have become quite the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulous political analyst.  Some might say you're superficial, and that hating on Yanks is beyond cliche, no matter how passive-aggressively phrased, but that of course is absurd.  Dripping with gravitas, you are.

on Jul 30, 2008
I just do it because it's funny to watch the Obamanations get their knickers all a'twist over it.

Oh, and yeah, I'm a sadist, too. (some of us swing both ways, you know.)



on Jul 30, 2008
This is a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulous post, and you, young man, have become quite the faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabulous political analyst.


And you've become vastly more camp since your last visit, Mr St Hubbins! (do I have it right?) But that's okay - the world has always had a liking for the outrageously effeminate, so I'm sure you'll slot right in somewhere!

Some might say you're superficial, and that hating on Yanks is beyond cliche, no matter how passive-aggressively phrased, but that of course is absurd.


Yes, one must never forget that cliches are the building blocks of civilisation and the first resort of the fascinating.

Dripping with gravitas, you are.


Since my apparent forum promotion, I think it's more my auctoritas than gravitas that makes people swoon.

I just do it because it's funny to watch the Obamanations get their knickers all a'twist over it.


I like Obamanations, that's clever. Biblical, even. I'm surprised the religious right haven't seized upon it - I can just imagine some fiery Baptist preaching death, hellfire, eternal damnation and the coming of Obamanations of Satan.
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